We can't change the fanatic views.
First and foremost, people should be broad-minded and be able to think above petty, mean religious fervor. The person here in reference is led by passion, not by reason.
This e-mail is not written in a spirit of one-upmanship as if trying to score points. Matters concerning communities are much deeper... and cannot be answered. Ever in objective type "tick" or checking the box with "X". Community-related issues, cultural conflicts are complex issues, and require scholarly handling and not handled as a street slinging / shouting match. Shouting loud does not mean it is the truth.
My attempt to answer will be futile. I will try to ignore such toxic elements from my answer.
1. THERE ARE NEARLY 52 MUSLIM COUNTRIES. SHOW ONE MUSLIM COUNTRY WHICH PROVIDES HAJ SUBSIDY. SHOW ONE MUSLIM COUNTRY WHERE HINDUS ARE EXTENDED THE SPECIAL RIGHTS THAT MUSLIMS ARE ACCORDED IN INDIA?
Regarding your wrong and biased information (or even purposeful misinformation to brainwash others) about Haj subsidy, I think the following might enlighten you.
Take the case of Indonesia and Iran. Every year the largest number of Haj pilgrims comes from Indonesia and each pilgrim need to pay only less than what an average economy class Indian Haj pilgrim has to pay. This is a truth. They get a better accommodation and transportation facility (than their Indian counterparts) and their embassy / consulate officials are very much concerned about the well being of these pilgrims.
Secondly Iran; It is part of their state portfolio and everything including the luggage (bags) is part of the state managed Haj programme. Starting from scrutinizing the application till they reach (back) home, it is the duty of the officials to ensure the safety, comfort and smooth pilgrimage of their people. Not limited to that, the pilgrims enjoy a wide range of facilities /amenities which an average economy class Indian Hajji cannot even dream of. Of course they enjoy discounted and subsidized rates for their whole journey to Saudi Arabia and back home.
Further it does not make any sense, about the said discount. If you consider the total number of Hajjis as one group or many groups then they can have more low priced tickets than what they are getting now due to group booking / issuing of tickets. Again the airline, when they are operating with a packed flight of Hajj pilgrims (to Saudi Arabia), they will return from Saudi Arabia to India with a few passengers only on board. Every other airline like Egyptair, British Air, Garuda (Indonesia) offers discounted rates since they are bound to return and in this case they will be in a better position with some passengers on board instead of an empty carrier. But the Air India loots (like a highwayman) the ordinary passengers by exploiting the situation and they do not allow any discounts at all. Instead they have started increasing the fare rates these years !!!
Besides, I know very well how our "Maharaja - Air India" staff treats the pilgrims (and also the other passengers on board), since it was my "worst experience" flying Air India with the pilgrims as my co-travellers. All your boasting about the subsidy and discount and minority bashing will be more vivid, once you “dare to enjoy" flying Air India, our national carrier with the Haj pilgrims from Jeddah airport or to any destination to Gulf.
Hence your inflated “hatred propaganda” will only serve some jaundiced minds and as I have said the owners / moderators, what they have already been doing their "role" very well. They are “KALLANU KAKKAN TORCHADICHU KODUKKUNNAVAR aakunnu”, since they do not want to post such nasty and baseless revelations by themselves but they help somebody else to do this job to their satisfaction with their approval.
There is no need to provide for a separate subsidy... as the tickets themselves are under-charged. The Hajj flights are not a source of any income for the 52 so-called Muslim countries.
Govt. Subsidy to Pilgrimage is not limited to Muslims for Hajj in India. It is a matter of constituently right in Secular India. Hindus pilgrims are getting subsidies for visiting Amarnath and Badarinath.
In Dubai, there are 1.5 million Hindus working in top positions holding the net-worth of USD 9 Billion (in savings and assets)... the money they earned in the UAE over the past 3 decades. In the whole of India, the total number of Muslims in employment (both in Centre and State Govts) is less than the figure of Hindus employed in JUST Dubai alone. Apart from Dubai, there
are 2 million Hindus employed in Muslim-dominated societies...
Secular India is not giving any special privilege to any minority community more than what other countries and UN had given to minorities in other part of the world. Please check with your fellows living in some Muslim countries around the world especially from the Middle East like UAE, OMAN etc. most of these countries are normally known as Islamic states but none of these countries have shown any discrimination to Hindus or Christians or other religions in most areas of life on the basis of religious faith. Can you show a single incident where a human being is attacked and killed as in Gujarat in these countries on the basis of religion or faith being different?
We should not stand for religion based states (as both RSS and Alqueda stands) but secular democratic states which do cherish the richness of all religious faiths and cultural pluralities.
2. HINDU-MAJORITY MAHARASHTRA, BIHAR, KERALA, PONDICHERRY , ETC. HAVE IN THE PAST ELECTED MUSLIMS AS CM’S, …..CAN YOU EVER IMAGINE A HINDU BECOMING THE CM OF MUSLIM - MAJORITY J&K?
I think, you have no idea / least idea about our history or current political affairs of our country, nor have any ability to think, before parroting what someone else has cried out earlier.
You said that AR Antulay was the trustee of some non-Muslim trusts like the Shirdhi Sai Foundation. What is the problem? If he is worthy of becoming the trustee, it is OK. Otherwise what is the benefit for the society / trust of having a show-man of any religious belief outside and a big cheat inside.
Now coming to your argument, just remember that the SECRETARY of the Kerala Haj Committee is automatically the District Collector of Kozhikkode District. Very rarely we find a Muslim in the position of the DC of Kozhikkode and there were many non-Muslims. For example Mr. Amithabh Kant. (He is a very capable official who did his best to the development of the Calicut Airport). But Muslims are not like what you imagine with your dead brain. They are not jaundiced and they are able to understand that the religious status of this "Haj Committee” Secretary has nothing to do with his job and what matters is his capability and efficiency.
Also you should remember, It was K. Karunakaran who demanded that the Trichur Dt. Collector should not be a non-Hindu, since it is the Trichur Dt. Collector in charge of the Guruvayoor Devaswam. Karunakaran raised this issue when T.R Sooraj, (a Muslim) was the District Collector of Trichur.
I repeat... having Chief Ministers / Governors... is not the critera. What is the percentage of Muslims in jobs... right from the Chief Secretary to the peon? That percentage is the criteria. It shows... that spoils are being shared by ALL in a composite society. Show me how many Chief Secretaries are there in India? Show me how many Collectors? Show me how many Police commissioners? Bring figures... not falsehood.
Hindu majority? Maharashtra, Bihar, Kerala, Pondicherry etc are part of secular India
only irrespective religious faith any human beings part of Indian democracy can achieve any highest position in Independent and Secular India. Remember India achieved its freedom from British rule after a long freedom struggle under the leadership of secular, communist and nationalist leadership only. No body who talks about Hindu majority or
Hindurashtra was not supporting this freedom struggle. I just ask what is your right to call India Hindu rashtra?
3. SHOW ONE COUNTRY WHERE THE 85% MAJORITY CRAVES FOR THE INDULGENCE OF THE 15% MINORITY.
First of all you may note the population details of some of the countries, for your proper understanding of the real situation.
India Population: 1,080,264,388 (July 2005 est.)
Hindu 80.5%, Muslim 13.4%, Christian 2.3%, Sikh 1.9%, other 1.8%, unspecified 0.1% (2001 census)
Here the data says India has a population of 80.5% as Hindus, which I cannot agree with. If this broad classification Hindus, comprises of 80.5% does it include the backward Adivasi, Dalit and SC/ST? No. But if YES, why the great champion of the Hindu interests and sanghi leader, L.K. Advani opposed vehemently the attempt of VP Singh to implement the “Mandal Commission Report”? That means this great advocate of Hindutwa, L.K. Advani does not want any favour / facility / improvement for the poor Dalit, Adivasi and SC/ST communities of India which accounts for more than 60% of Indian population. Advani is ONLY the advocate of the upper caste Hindu community, and he stands for protecting their rights and interests alone !!
Also you should remember that the Mandal Commission only recommended for a 40% reservation for these deprived classes and the upper caste hindus and the sanghis did not like even a slight change in the reservation for them. You can see that even with the argued criteria and standards of proportional representation in the govt, the backward classes should get 60% of our parliament members and jobs in the govt. sector. This will help them to enjoy the fruits of freedom and independence and enable them to take part in governing their country. However the upper caste hindus sabotaged this idea at the very embryo stage with its nasty propaganda and violence at that time against implementing the Mandal Commission Report.
Therefore do not boast that the “majority” is pampering the “minorities”, but it is the opposite, the “minorities” (upper caste sawarna hindus) are exploiting the “majority” (the backward classes, adivasis, SC/ST and Dalits and the non-hindu communities) by hook or crook.
Since 1922 when the RSS was established there have been riots in which millions of Muslims were butchered. In 1947 on the Punjab border itself 1 million Muslims were "eliminated" by Hindus. Half a Million Muslims were butchered in September 1948 when India took Hyderabad militarily. There have been thousands of riots... lakhs of Muslims were killed... and NOT ONE Hindu ever convicted!!
Indulgence what do you mean by that? Show me a Single RSS, VHP, BJP leader who fought for the freedom of India, Show me a single RSS Volunteer whom you can call a martyr to India's Freedom Struggle. BJP Leader A.B. Vajpayee himself betrayed India's Freedom struggle and he have given a written statement to British police by declaring that he will remain as a loyal agent to British Queen and her Empire. Why are you
trying to call this nation a Hindu Nation? Only the secularists fought and struggled to make an Independent and unified India. I just ask what is your right to speak about 85% majority. TRIBALS, ABORIGINS, DALITS AND HARIJANS ARE NOT A PART OF HINDU RELIGION they are the part of the secular India only. Please don't claim you are 85% of this countries population.
Those who consider their religious identity as their primary identity are very few in this country. You also can find that in 99% of your life moments that identity does not occur important to you unless you are in a riot hit area or in a place of worship. Further when you are in a riot-hit area that identity may force you to see people of other religions as potential dangers to your life. But when you are in the worship place that should encourage you to love every being around you including people of other faiths.
4. SHOW ONE MUSLIM COUNTRY, WHICH HAS A NON-MUSLIM AS ITS PRESIDENT OR PRIME MINISTER.
Read the following information very carefully. It is about Indonesia, which has the world’s largest Muslim population. The records are as of July 2005. You can verify the data with any international agencies.
Having a President or a Prime Minister is not the CRITEREA for
secularism. How much peace there is in a society... does discrimination exist... that is the criterea. Show me how many Hindu women were raped in the 52 Muslim societies... and compare with how many Muslim girls were raped and killed in any given year. Compare the statistics. Research how many Hindus were killed in encounters in Muslim dominated societies... and compare with how many Muslims were killed in FAKE encounters!
Please check with your friends about Malaysia, Indonesia or Fiji’s constitution? And who all ruled these countries. Remember Indonesia the single largest Muslim populated country in the world.
INDONESIA
Total Population: 241,973,879 (July 2005 est.) Muslim 88%, Protestant 5%, Roman Catholic 3%, Hindu 2%, Buddhist 1%, other 1% (1998)
Govt: President Susilo Bambang YUDHOYONO (since 20 October 2004) and Vice President Muhammad Yusuf KALLA (since 20 October 2004); note - the president is both the chief of state and head of government.
Indonesian President Mr. Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono is not a Muslim. He is a non-Muslim and he is the president of the largest Muslim populated country in the world, who is not just a nominal head of the state, or a rubber stamp like the President of India, but he is the real HEAD of the Govt!
SUDAN:
Population: 40,187,486 (July 2005 est.)
Religions: Sunni Muslim 70% (in north), indigenous beliefs 25%, Christian 5% (mostly in south and Khartoum)
You might have read that a US backed Christian (John Garang, representing only 5% of the total population, the Christians. After his copter accident death another one from the Christian side will succeed him) as the Deputy Head of the State with very strong position in the govt. Here the 5% Christians have a leader and proper share in the country’s govt, while in India you are misleading the people with the false information that the govt is pampering the Muslims and their interests.
It is the Muslims resources and belonging being looted and occupied by the govt. agencies. For sure, you may not know that the Headquarters of our CBI in Delhi is the “waqf” of Muslims conveniently occupied by a govt agency like CBI !!! (CBI is the investigating agency to check such acts of crime, which they themselves have been doing).
5. SHOW ONE MULLAH OR MAULVI WHO HAS DECLARED A 'FATWA' AGAINST TERRORISTS.
First, you should note that a “Fatwa” is an opinion of a religious scholar or a group of scholars. However after the London bombings there was an influx of “fatwas” against such abominable actions. The Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia and the Imam of Makkah vehemently criticized the terrorist bombings of London. They have already given their “Fatwa” against such bombings before as well. But you will not be able to find these statements or press releases, if you read only those third rated “yellow publications” of the sangh parivar and its outfits.
Show me one Hindu Pundit who knows one line of the Quran... and can explain it! If you want... here I am... I will recite the Gayatri Mantra.... and quote 10 lines from the Upanishads and the Gita!!
Dealing with terrorists is the duty of the Govt. Police and the secular credentials of the country only not the matter of RSS, BJP or any Mullah or Maulavi is entitled to make any such declarations.
6. IN 1947, WHEN INDIA WAS PARTITIONED, THE HINDU POPULATION IN PAKISTAN WAS ABOUT 24% ….TODAY IT IS NOT EVEN 1%. IN 1947, THE HINDU POPULATION IN EAST PAKISTAN (NOW BANGLADESH) WAS 30% …. TODAY IT IS ABOUT 7%. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE MISSING HINDUS? DO HINDUS HAVE HUMAN RIGHTS?
This is another lie propaganda of the sanghis. Hindu population in Pakistan never reached 24% of its total population, at the time of partition or any time later. Same is the case with Bangladesh. See the population statistics of both Pakistan and Bangladesh.
PAKISTAN:
Total Population: 162,419,946 (July 2005 est.). Religion(s): Muslim 97% (Sunni 77%, Shi'a 20%), Christian, Hindu, and other 3% .Suffrage: 18 years of age; universal; joint electorates and RESERVED PARLIAMENTARY SEATS FOR WOMEN AND NON-MUSLIMS.
BANGLADESH
Total Population: 144,319,628 (July 2005 est.) Religions: Muslim 83%, Hindu 16%, other 1% (1998)
But those who are habituated to open their mouth only for “eating and spread lies” does not need any data or statistics, but fare enough with what is injected into their clinically dead brains, at the sakhas. Often other credulous minds are easy targets of these “hatred spreading programmes”. In Pakistan, the non-Muslims have reserved constituencies !! and they are not a democracy like we are !!!
Your question “DO HINDUS HAVE HUMAN RIGHTS?” Is quite funny and can have a very simple answer. To me, Hindus, like any other religious group, are human beings living in our country with and do have human rights. I believe that even the sanghis should have that, even though they do not deserve it. If you still have doubts about their entity and identity as human beings, then it is your problem. (Note: In Orissa, very recently a VHP activist raped a 7 year old girl in the State VHP office. This is because of the training the receive at the sakhas and kalaris and they practice what they are taught !). See: “Patnaik asked to quit over child rape in VHP office”
www.newsindia.com/breaking_news/40724.aspHindus in Pakistan were encouraged to migrate. Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel ran trains (FREE /no ticket) between Pakistan and India to bring Hindus into India. Plus the factor... that the Hindus left in Pakistan felt that India was a big country... they had relatives... spiritual moorings... and they migrated. There may be negative pressure... of course. It can’t be denied. The same way as there was negative pressure on Muslims in India to migrate to
Pakistan. "Pakistan or Qabrastan"... The entire middle-class of Muslims in India was forced to migrate. Societal pressure was built by the RSS down to the gram panchayat level.
It may be because many Pakistanis (like Mr. L.K Advani) were migrated to India. (Secular India has always been open to people irrespective of their place of birth). Every human being has secular democratic rights, which were denied to majority of our population. Dalits, Tribes, Child workers, exploited workers...they fall in such numerous categories.85% of them shall be practicing the Hindu Religion if your logic below is
correct. Try to be in touch with right activists they will unravel to you the mystery of missing people.
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